{"id":9528,"date":"2024-12-05T10:33:50","date_gmt":"2024-12-05T10:33:50","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/lynn.global\/?p=9528"},"modified":"2025-01-24T10:11:07","modified_gmt":"2025-01-24T10:11:07","slug":"bitescize-with-kai-ruggeri","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/lynn.global\/bitescize-with-kai-ruggeri\/","title":{"rendered":"BiteSCize with Kai Ruggeri"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"data:image\/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP\/\/\/yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7\" data-src=\"https:\/\/lynn.global\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/12\/CU-Headshot-Ruggeri-square.webp\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-9529 lazyload\" \/><noscript><img fetchpriority=\"high\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1000\" height=\"1000\" src=\"https:\/\/lynn.global\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/12\/CU-Headshot-Ruggeri-square.webp\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-9529 lazyload\" srcset=\"https:\/\/lynn.global\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/12\/CU-Headshot-Ruggeri-square.webp 1000w, https:\/\/lynn.global\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/12\/CU-Headshot-Ruggeri-square-300x300.webp 300w, https:\/\/lynn.global\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/12\/CU-Headshot-Ruggeri-square-150x150.webp 150w, https:\/\/lynn.global\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/12\/CU-Headshot-Ruggeri-square-768x768.webp 768w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1000px) 100vw, 1000px\" \/><\/noscript><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Who are you?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>My name is Kai Ruggeri. I am a professor of behavioral science and public policy, based at Columbia University in the Mailman School of Public Health, Department of Health Policy and Management. By training, I am a social psychologist with a strong emphasis on large-scale, quantitative methods. I have also worked in the private sector, in international governmental organizations, and served in the military, so my professional experience in applying behavioral science is broad.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>How did you get into Behavioural Science?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Initially, I just found psychology to be a fascinating topic \u2013 I hadn\u2019t been sure what to study in college and kept changing my degree. Then I took a psychology class and couldn\u2019t put the textbook down. Once I settled into the program, I had an amazing statistics professor that changed my entire trajectory. That led to an incredible opportunity to go abroad, and I left the US for Belfast, Northern Ireland, to do a PhD trying to understand why people really dislike statistics, probabilities, and uncertainty.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>During that work, many times I got a common reaction when I told people what I was studying. First, they would usually say something like \u201cYes, that sounds like me!\u201d or \u201cI was one of the rare ones that liked my stats class.\u201d But second, they would normally indicate they saw no real-world value in the work. At that time, I couldn\u2019t quite articulate how or why it mattered, and that led me to explore working on a number of different major topics, ranging from healthcare to education to economic development. But this was before Richard Thaler and Daniel Kahneman had become household names, so people were still pretty confused why a psychologist was working in economics or public policy.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>What are you working on right now?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>My primary research focuses on what drives the best outcomes for people in terms of health and wealth. We use a frame known as positive deviance to study a range of behaviors and their (potentially) linked outcomes. What this means is that we look at the most positive outliers from groups that are typically disadvantaged, don\u2019t have the best outcomes, or otherwise face serious limitations. Rather than ask why these groups are doing poorly (which is what most people focus on, so there\u2019s no shortage of work there), we focus on what seems to make these individuals do so well. Is it good choices? Is it better opportunities around them? Luck? Education? Personality? Hard work?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>So far, we\u2019ve looked at both basic science, such as how cognitive biases might impact outcomes, and more applied questions, like why do some people get an annual flu shot when most people in their community don\u2019t? Or broader ones, like why are some people from low-income backgrounds continually moving up the economic ladder while other people with the same background are treading water or getting worse? We do this work in controlled settings as well as with institutional partners from financial and healthcare institutions.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>What do you like most about what you do?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>I love that my work is both real and also scientific. In other words, what we do \u2013 it matters today, to real people, to real institutions. But also, we don\u2019t narrow our work to behaviors that may be irrelevant in the future or that don\u2019t translate to other contexts. We have foundational scientific approaches that can advance understanding of human behavior. We\u2019ve been able to validate major behavioral constructs in a time when so much in psychology has been called into question, while also being at the front of publishing work that showed no effect. But that no-effect work was actually hugely informative because it made clear that, while cognitive biases have serious implications for behaviors, they don\u2019t alone explain broader economic outcomes. I love that our work can approach both of these.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>What role is there for communications in changing behaviour?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Without a communication strategy, there are few ways to implement any meaningful insights from behavioral science. Even if you don\u2019t think of a line painted down the middle of a motorway as communicating, it very much is: by signalling to drivers that they need to limit themselves to a specific space, hundreds of millions of lives have been saved. In a new era of technological advances, smart devices, and rapid information transmission, we see the exact same sort of thinking being critical to implementing everything from optimizing how much people put into their savings account to how early hospitals should send text messages to remind patients about upcoming appointments. However, I never like to frame this as \u201cchanging behaviors\u201d \u2013 instead, our work actively focuses on going from understanding (good, bad, otherwise) to informing; change should be left to individuals.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>If you could work on \/ research any topic what would it be and why?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Exactly what I\u2019m working on! I\u2019m thankful to have an employer that enthusiastically supports the work that I do, both in the way it contributes to theory and has real-world impact. I want to keep expanding it, primarily in terms of real-world testing and by looking at more specific groups. For example, we are increasingly working with financial institutions to look at specific employment groups, like contractors (who earn high wages when working but experience regular gaps), gig workers, and recent college graduates with good incomes but high debt. These are increasingly common financial groups and their behaviors are both key to economic stability for themselves, their families, and their communities, while also informing a lot in the way of relevant (good and bad) financial choices.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Who do you think is interesting in the general field?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>All the work that <a href=\"https:\/\/www.chicagobooth.edu\/faculty\/directory\/s\/abigail-sussman\">Abigail Sussman<\/a> is doing in Chicago excites me. From her work a few years ago on credit card choices to her more recent\/forthcoming work on behavior after losing work, all of them have many angles that apply across behavioral sciences. 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